Bus Vannin

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(11/02/2014 23:57)J654UHN Wrote:  As far as im aware 80 is still for saleat Bus and Coach World Blackburn

Thanks for that, interesting to hear there are no takers. Even with a full internal refurbishment.

Also wonder why 80 didn't go to Blackpool Transport.

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RE: Bus Vannin
I was told that there were only 30 buses (11 Tridents and 19 DAFs) going to Blackpool. 80 didn't go to Blackpool as it was the last of its batch on the road

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From IoM Today

Quote:Tribunal ruling delayed in bus drivers’ test case claim
Published on the 19 February 2014 11:10


Union leader Eric Holmes


An employment tribunal ruling on test case claims made by two Bus Vannin drivers will now take longer than first expected.

The panel assessing the claims has announced in a statement: ‘The complexity of the issues and the length of the evidence was such that no decision can be announced with any immediacy – but every effort will be made to announce the outcome as soon as possible.’

Bus drivers David Kelly and Stephen Cowin are among 63 drivers claiming unfair dismissal over changes to their terms and conditions, including the loss of paid lunch breaks.

The test cases, heard by a panel of chairman Douglas Stewart, Fiona Robinson and Peter Murcott, were held over three days last week. The hearing originally began in November but had to be halted in a row over disclosure of documents.

Evidence was heard last week from director of public transport Ian Longworth, Unite’s regional industrial officer Eric Holmes, former chief executive of the Department of Community Culture and Leisure Nick Black, the two drivers and shop steward Carlton Mealin.



Mr Longworth told the tribunal: ‘We did our utmost to get people to come to the party, we got the feeling they were there to drink our tea and play the long game.’

DCCL’s counsel, Simon Gorton QC, asked Mr Holmes about why negotiations were apparently agreed by the union but were then overwhelmingly rejected at ballot.

He put it to the union boss: ‘By September 2012, you and your shop stewards had agreed a deal and recommended it to your members, yet the result of the ballot was 84-1 against taking the offer, so the five shop stewards either voted against or abstained, despite agreeing to the offer.’

Mr Holmes admitted: ‘It was disappointing. I can only offer advice. I can’t force them to take it.’

Mr Gorton asked: ‘Why did you agree to the deal?’. Mr Holmes replied: ‘No matter which way we moved the deals always became progressively worse. I felt it was more a dictation than negotiation, but I felt the lesser of two evils was to accept. These were the pressures put on us.’

Mr Gorton said: ‘Mr Black confirmed that alternative solutions to the changes in terms would be acceptable if they were equal to the amount that needed to be saved (£300,000), didn’t he?’

Mr Holmes replied: ‘That was stated, but that wasn’t what happened. On numerous occasions alternatives were offered but Mr Longworth wouldn’t accept them.’

Mr Longworth was quizzed over his calculation that drivers were only actually driving 56 per cent of the time they were being paid.

MONEY

He said: ‘I’m a trained scheduler. I’ve been scheduling since 1974.

‘They’re on the pay roll but not doing anything that’s earning me money.’

In his closing argument, counsel for the drivers Antony Sendell, said: ‘This is really a case about what the DCCL did.

‘It was a highly disproportionate burden the drivers were being asked to bear. Because a large identifiable cut was perceived by the government, they believed it was politically deliverable. That renders this process unfair. Cuts weren’t spread, management weren’t suffering any cuts, the drivers were bearing the brunt.’

After negotiations broke down a letter terminating the contracts of the bus drivers was sent to them, but offering them their old job back if they signed the new terms and conditions, which included the removal of paid lunch breaks, but also offered the chance to appeal.

Mr Holmes, the two drivers and shop steward Mr Mealin, all said they thought it would be pointless appealing because they thought Mr Longworth would be hearing any appeal. But the public transport director said this would not have been the case and he would have appointed impartial officials to hear any appeals.

Mr Kelly and Mr Cowin both said that they had lost money since the new terms were introduced and also said that they had concerns about health and proper hydration as they didn’t drink much during the day for fear of not being able to find a lavatory.

Mr Kelly claimed it was more intense driving in the island. He said ‘I’m more tired, driving a lot more, nine or 10 hour shifts sat in one position, I don’t see it unreasonable to have breaks. I value my health.’

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All of the DAFs (2, 5-7 and 8-10) are now on the dead patch alongside Dart 82 - 7 was the last DAF DB250 on the road. The only DB250s now in the service fleet are VDLs 44-46

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Update on the DAFs - 2, 5, 6, 8 and 9 are still at the back of Banks Circus however 7 and 10 have actually left the island and are not on the dead patch. 10 is at Bus and Coach Blackburn - presumably 1, 3 and 7 are also here

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DAF DB250LF 7 (GMN-71-E) at Balckburn Bus & Coach World

DAF DB250LF 10 (LMN-268-K) at Blackburn Bus & Coach World

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DAF 2 out in traffic on southern services today

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(04/03/2014 15:32)FMN-503-T Wrote:  DAF 2 out in traffic on southern services today

Nice, any last photos?

Also, does anyone have an update on the 141/142. What depots are they based at?

Thanks.

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I was travelling in a car at the time so unfortunately not. 141/2 are both based at Banks Circus

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(05/03/2014 15:16)FMN-503-T Wrote:  I was travelling in a car at the time so unfortunately not. 141/2 are both based at Banks Circus

Thanks for the info. I imagine they're operating on the 13/29? Have they ever made an appearance on the 10B?