Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

[Bevan Price]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot
If they can get financial assistance, maybe Warrington might possibly consider extending some Cat9 journeys from Northwich to Winsford ???

[Y458 KNF]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot
Has 2633 been withdrawn whilst we are on the subject of Winsford vehicles being moved?

[Valandil]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

(28/02/2023 15:59)knutstransport Wrote:  In the case of option 3 I can envisage the Solos transferring to someone else but would another operator want a small fleet of deckers or Mellors? When D&G took on the 82 they decided to run one service just behind another on college days, to avoid the need for them to get a decker.

Not sure about running costs exactly, but surely in general it's cheaper overall to use a decker instead of paying for 2 drivers to drive 2 single-deck vehicles one behind the other.

[knutstransport]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

(28/02/2023 19:11)Valandil Wrote:  Not sure about running costs exactly, but surely in general it's cheaper overall to use a decker instead of paying for 2 drivers to drive 2 single-deck vehicles one behind the other.

D&G do it by having a huge gap in the timetable in the other direction. So it's still a PVR of 3 all day but a less user friendly timetable.

[cx04axy]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot
Had 2483 been withdrawn as well?

[W176 XMA]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

(28/02/2023 21:38)cx04axy Wrote:  Had 2483 been withdrawn as well?

Yes

[Raawwwrrr!]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

(28/02/2023 09:35)knutstransport Wrote:  At one point the 84 had three* operators all attempting commercial operations on the route. It would be surprising if someone hadn't make an hourly 84 viable.

* Or four if you include D&G's 84 shorts.

All of whom have failed to make a commercial success of the route with a decline in both passenger numbers and income from concessionary fares, now with the rise in both fuel, wage and depot energy costs.

I do believe the 84 is probably the most viable route to be taken on by another operator, but it’s not the golden egg it’s made out to be

[M60lad]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot
The other thing with 84 is that sometimes its hard to keep the 84 longs to Chester to a decent timetable meaning that due to traffic nearer to Chester buses can end up running up-to at least 20 mins late sometimes especially during the peaks.

[iMarkeh]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot

(28/02/2023 21:42)Raawwwrrr! Wrote:  All of whom have failed to make a commercial success of the route with a decline in both passenger numbers and income from concessionary fares, now with the rise in both fuel, wage and depot energy costs.

I do believe the 84 is probably the most viable route to be taken on by another operator, but it’s not the golden egg it’s made out to be

To be fair, GHA didn't intend on staying on it long, it was only done to try and get rid of Routemaster.
Routemaster gave it a go and maybe could have gotten somewhere if it wasn't for GHA also competing (I believe there was 5 buses per hour at that point between Tarvin and Chester) so they didn't have much of a chance.

I do think it's worth saying that no one has tried properly to encourage passengers onto the Cheshire bus networks and so nothing will change longer term. It's just a never ending spiral of decline until the network becomes a skeleton.

[PULSAR]

RE: Arriva North West - Winsford Depot
2 Loan bus arrived here today ADL Enviro 200 2160 and Plaxton Centro 2615