Northern (Arriva Rail North)

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(26/12/2019 18:30)wirralbus Wrote:  What i would like to see answered is why there was such a drop in the service between 23 December and 24th December , something else im sure of it affected the Christmas Eve services and it wasnt just Sickness as they would have decimated the previous days service which wasnt anywhere near as bad.

Apparently a clause in the training agreement with ASLEF allowed drivers to choose lieu days without needing management approval so a lot of drivers picked 24 Dec and 31 Dec as their lieu days.

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
What a monumental farce. Mass planned cancellations today, including all Crewe-Manchester services, with passengers directed to the Liverpool trains - but they are all cancelled in journey check, apart from the 11.17 x Crewe but that is showing cancelled in RTT

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(27/12/2019 09:18)mikestone Wrote:  What a monumental farce. Mass planned cancellations today, including all Crewe-Manchester services, with passengers directed to the Liverpool trains - but they are all cancelled in journey check, apart from the 11.17 x Crewe but that is showing cancelled in RTT

According to journey check, the Liverpool - Blackpool service is making additional stops between Liverpool and Huyton. Surely given there's a replacement bus on the stopping service, it would make more sense for the Blackpool service to be all stops to Wigan. Suppose that's being too sensible!

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(27/12/2019 11:38)St Helens Rider Wrote:  According to journey check, the Liverpool - Blackpool service is making additional stops between Liverpool and Huyton. Surely given there's a replacement bus on the stopping service, it would make more sense for the Blackpool service to be all stops to Wigan. Suppose that's being too sensible!

Possibly due to pathing constraints or possibly because the person in control who made the decision doesn't know the area.

Leeds-Chester services making additional calls at Eccles and Patricroft.

Bank Quay to Lime St shuttle operating as normal.

[Gordon V]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(27/12/2019 13:09)knutstransport Wrote:  Possibly due to pathing constraints or possibly because the person in control who made the decision doesn't know the area.

Leeds-Chester services making additional calls at Eccles and Patricroft.

Bank Quay to Lime St shuttle operating as normal.

Extra stops on the Blackpool's were due to the xx27 Lime St-Crewe services being cancelled

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
142036 has passed to The East Kent Railway bringing the total number of Preserved Pacers to 4.

142001 - National Railway Museum
142029 - Chasewater
142036 - East Kent Railway
144003 - Great Central Railway (Still in use with Northern)

[mikestone]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
The only 142s I saw today were coupled to compliant sets, but plenty of 144s in Yorkshire working alone.

[wirralbus]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
I wonder where the compliant 144 pacer was operating today.

[knutstransport]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)

(02/01/2020 22:59)mikestone Wrote:  The only 142s I saw today were coupled to compliant sets, but plenty of 144s in Yorkshire working alone.

Exemption order from DfT does not permit 142s to be used anymore, unless attached to a Sprinter. In the North West are also only supposed to be used on Hope Valley and Blackburn/Clitheroe services but the permitted routes is a 'gentleman's agreement' with TfN, rather than a legal requirement.

The non-PRM compliant Sprinters and 144s can continue to be used in single formation for the short term, although there are restrictions about which lines single 144s and 153s can be used on.

[T42 PVM (Moderator)]

RE: Northern (Arriva Rail North)
I am led to believe the following 142s are the last examples in use (Some others are apparently warm stored so can be reactivated if required)

142004, 142011, 142023, 142024, 142030?, 142035, 142036, 142041, 142043, 142045, 142047, 142051, 142055, 142058, 142061, 142078 and 142090