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RE: Halton Transport
Where does the 27 do well? It goes past my house and Iv never seen more than 4 people on it at any given time... |
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How much of Halton transports work is commercial? |
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(16/03/2018 12:36)Mayneway Wrote: How much of Halton transports work is commercial? HBT are quite open and provide timetable information for all the services they provide on their website, these are the following: Halton operate 9 Core commercial routes: 14 Liverpool to Runcorn (A, B, C and D variations) 17 Widnes to St Helens 26/a Cronton Circular 27 Widnes - Halton View 61 Widnes to Liverpool 61A Halton Hospital to Huyton 62 Halebank to Warrington (A variations) 110 Warrington to Widnes (evening service) 200 Sci-tech park service Supported public services by local authorities: 3D, 6, 20/20a, 201, 211 and 870. Riverside college services: 40/41/42/43/44/44A/45/46/47/48 Merseytravel school services (Some operate only am or pm): 600/610/611/615/619/654/666/672/683/686/687/708/710/711/712/713/716/718/721/724/741/742/743/750/751/752/753/755/786/787/788/791/792/793/794/795 Halton school services: 10/17/38/72/J23 (There are also extra 62 journeys) |
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(16/03/2018 13:14)Raawwwrrr! Wrote: HBT are quite open and provide timetable information for all the services they provide on their website, these are the following: I don't know where RS Turbo gets the idea that they are not making a profit. Their 9 commercial services MUST pay there way otherwise they wouldn't be operating them. Imagine the scrutiny from tax payers if it turned out they were supporting Halton financially. At a time when councils are looking to save money and cut spending I would imagine Halton just like Blackpool turns a very good profit otherwise the councils would sell them off as quick as possible and as it's been mentioned, Halton have been approached several times by bigger operators. |
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I’d imagine it sounds the Merseytravel contracts that are keeping them afloat. They do pay very well so in a sense it doesn’t make too much difference if the buses are running pretty much empty during the day as it’s these lucrative contracts that keep the company going..let’s jope it continues. |
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Look the routes pay otherwise they would not operate them as already stated. For Blog Posts Containing all the latest in the local Bus Scene The 2002 Bus Blog Subscribe to my Youtube Channel, Updated regularly! All my Social Media Links here! https://linktr.ee/TerencePrice |
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(16/03/2018 21:33)RSTurbo50 Wrote: I’d imagine it sounds the Merseytravel contracts that are keeping them afloat. They do pay very well so in a sense it doesn’t make too much difference if the buses are running pretty much empty during the day as it’s these lucrative contracts that keep the company going..let’s jope it continues. Although they will massively help, most of the merseytravel contracts only operate a morning or evening journey. Very few operate in both peak times, and these either return to the depot dead or move onto a commercial service. The thing that actually maximises profits is that Halton operate several school services which can then interwork with another school service. A good example of this is the 611 service: The 611 terminates at Broadgreen at 8.05, this then becomes the 666 which starts at 8.17 at Netherley terminating at St Julies, Woolton for 8.40, It would be logical to then assume that this becomes the 2 service operating Woolton Village to Riverside College Widnes at 8.50. I do know that some of the St Helens contracts operating around 3pm, would then move onto the Riverside college services. Historically it used to be the 41/43 where this would be the case using buses from the De la Salle services, and that the 687 morning service used to become a 14 running Bellevale - Widnes at 8:53am. |
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(17/03/2018 14:54)Raawwwrrr! Wrote: Although they will massively help, most of the merseytravel contracts only operate a morning or evening journey. Very few operate in both peak times, and these either return to the depot dead or move onto a commercial service. The thing that actually maximises profits is that Halton operate several school services which can then interwork with another school service. Halton could run and make profit just off Merseytravel contracts. Look at Red Kite (and Peoplesbus did to a certain extent until they took on the 4) I don't believe it is the thing keeping the business afloat though. Stagecoach wouldn't approach them numerous occasions if schools were the only thing keeping them going. I definitely think it is very daft to say they aren't making money. If you were to say they are not making as much money as they could do, I would agree. Things like local festival type things. Creamfields could make them a few bob. Private hires would do good for them. Maybe rail replacements. Speak to Arriva and if they can't fulfil rail reps for Merseyrail due to lack of vehicles etc, Halton could help out. Also there is obviously 2 train lines close to Runcorn and one through Widnes) where they could try out Rail Reps. Sundays there are hardly any buses out, make the most of spare vehicles. Get onto schools and use the school buses for school trips. I think the most obvious one but try to win the local contracts. That would be a good start (For example route 52 Ashcroft and the hospital shuttle with Anthonys The 48 is also close by Frodsham - Northwich currently being ran by Howards. Also the 17/30 Evenings along a route they already run in the day (18:20 bus terminates at St Helens this could have 30 minute driver break then continue at 18:55 on the tendered trips)). There is a lot more ways for Halton to try and make money but I don't know if they are being greedy on contracts or what but they don't seem to win many except schools. |
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The obvious issue with tendering for local contracts such as the 17/30 is they are competing with HTL (for example on that tender) who pay drivers less so theoretically can always do it for cheaper, both buses on that route work off nearby services too so very little dead mileage, probably similar to what Halton would operate anyway as they would need 2 buses in St Helens for 7pm not just the one. Some tenders too are just one day tenders, the 211 being operated Saturday only, Monday - Friday being a HTL tender again. They seem to have steady loads on the 14s whenever I see them despite the masses of 79s around them. Oh Superman where are you now, when everything's gone wrong somehow, the men of steel, the men of power, are losing control by the hour.
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RE: Halton Transport
Dart 19 was a fairly unusual vistior to Liverpool today (18 April) on the 61. I have seen them occasionally on Sundays, but I think this is the first time I have seen one of this batch in midweek. |
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