Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

[Mayneway]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

(01/03/2016 14:32)Barney Wrote:  Nonsense. What you need to understand is that a regulated bus service would cost a lot more to operate than the current deregulated one. Just look at how much it costs to run buses for TfL. If you are old enough to remember, the whole rationale of the 1985 Transport Act (introduced by a Conservative government) was to REDUCE the amount of subsidy from central government to local councils by privatising the bus companies.

SHOULD franchising ever be introduced outside of London, the privatised companies such as Stagecoach and Arriva would only apply to operate routes that were profitable. In essence, the loss of all tendered (non-profitable) services is exactly what the ultimate objective of what was planned some 30 years ago.

Finally, if you don't buy a ticket (vote) don't expect to win the raffle (have your views represented).

The problem is everyone has different opinions. I'm assuming your pro labour and that is your choice it's mine not to particularly like any of them. They all live in a different world down there with there subsidised bars and restaurants, they haven't got a clue how us northerners live.
I quite like the views and beliefs of Oldham council leader Jim Mchanon who's labour but he's a very small fish in a very big pond.

As for franchising no body knows how it will work so how can you call it nonsense? It was my understanding that groups of bigger and smaller (subsidised) services would be bundled together and the winning bidder would operate them all on a commercial style basis with no subsidies paid. It would also so away with the current situation where an operator is happy to run a commercial frequent service on a semi major corridor mon-sat daytime but operates it with a subsidie in the evenings and on Sundays/BH so effectively you bid for a major service you run it 7 days a week, but as said no one knows the exact details of how it would work so don't call someone's comments nonsense because they don't tally with your thoughts etc.

[Barney]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

(01/03/2016 16:23)Mayneway Wrote:  The problem is everyone has different opinions. I'm assuming your pro labour and that is your choice it's mine not to particularly like any of them. They all live in a different world down there with there subsidised bars and restaurants, they haven't got a clue how us northerners live.
I quite like the views and beliefs of Oldham council leader Jim Mchanon who's labour but he's a very small fish in a very big pond.

As for franchising no body knows how it will work so how can you call it nonsense? It was my understanding that groups of bigger and smaller (subsidised) services would be bundled together and the winning bidder would operate them all on a commercial style basis with no subsidies paid. It would also so away with the current situation where an operator is happy to run a commercial frequent service on a semi major corridor mon-sat daytime but operates it with a subsidie in the evenings and on Sundays/BH so effectively you bid for a major service you run it 7 days a week, but as said no one knows the exact details of how it would work so don't call someone's comments nonsense because they don't tally with your thoughts etc.

I don't think franchising is nonsense. As much as I would like to see it happen, I just can't see the government doing anything to help the current bus service provision outside of London. The government promised a Buses Bill when it was elected but so far nothing has happened probably because the big four don't want to have their profit margins squeezed.

BTW the last Transport Minister who was in anyways effective was Norman Baker and he was a Lib Dem.

[Barney]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

(01/03/2016 21:17)Dentonian Wrote:  Supposedly, the Buses Bill has been delayed due to London Mayoral Elections and the forthcoming EU referendum, but as both were fully expected that does seem to be a poor excuse on behalf of Whitehall.

Going back to your other general point about Policies. As I think Mayneway has said, there is a distinct difference between Manifesto promises and what is actually enacted. Plus, let's not forget that the context is Buses, not what the media and politicians see as "public transport" ie. Rail. So maybe you can tell me what Labour's actual Policy is for Buses, as they never mention it on their Party Political broadcasts or in media interviews on relevant subjects?
More pertinently, and to paraphrase the People's Judean Front (or was it the Popular Front of Judea), what have Labour actually done for us Bus Users/Non Motorists?

For those of you who aren't interested in politics, David Cameron (Conservative) has been Prime Minister since May 2010. Below, if it works, is a link outlining the current Labour Party's policy on public transport, including bus services.

BTW, I am not, and never have been, a member of any political party but I do exercise my right to vote as I feel it is the least I can do for those many millions of people who fought and died for that same right.

http://www.yourbritain.org.uk/uploads/ed...NITIES.pdf

[SF07]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services
Transdev have posted their changes on their website. They state that they are working with Lancashire County Council to run a reduced service on the 180/280/X80 services.

http://www.lancashirebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1666

[Neukit]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

(04/03/2016 20:43)SF07 Wrote:  Transdev have posted their changes on their website. They state that they are working with Lancashire County Council to run a reduced service on the 180/280/X80 services.

http://www.lancashirebus.co.uk/news.jsp?newsID=1666

LCC have issued tenders for a number of services across the county - generally on lower frequencies than the ones they have cancelled, and Mon-Sat daytime only.

[SF07]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services
List of changes from Lancashire County Council. No details on new operators:

• 1 Silverdale Shuttle: Will merge with service 51
• 1 Preston Park & Ride: Preston Bus to run commercial service between Walton-le-Dale and Preston, while Portway served by service 89.
• 1A/1B/1C Burnley: Evening service until 2000 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Transdev. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 2 Burnley: Evening service until 2000 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Transdev. Late evening journeys withdrawn. Developer funding still exists for evening/Sunday service between Nelson and Higherford, discussions ongoing.
• 2 Accrington: M&M Coaches to run service commercially.
• 2 Clitheroe: Service to merge with service 4 to/from Peel Park and run between Low Moor and Peel Park via Clitheroe. Chatburn, Grindleton and Sawley served by service 7.
• 2A Preston: Stagecoach to run service to/from Ormskirk commercially Mon-Sat daytime only.
• 2C Ormskirk: Withdrawn.
• 2C Blackpool: Evening and Sunday service withdrawn. Mon-Sat daytime service runs commercially
• 3A Ormskirk: Revised to run between Burscough and Appley Bridge via Skelmersdale only. Connections with service 2A at Burscough to/from Ormskirk. Wrightington Hospital unable to be served within new timetable.
• 4 Clitheroe: Replaced by service 2.
• 4 Preston: Stagecoach to run service commercially with some timetable changes. Peak-time journeys extended to Chipping. Evening journeys withdrawn.
• 4/4A/5/5A Accrington: Saturday service withdrawn. Weekday service continues commercially.
• 4/5 Burnley: Evening service until 2000 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Transdev. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 5 Lancaster: Evening service until 1930 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Stagecoach. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 5 Clitheroe: Service continues at reduced frequency
• 5/6 Ormskirk: Services continues
• 5A Clitheroe: Evening service withdrawn.
• 5B Clitheroe: Withdrawn.
• 5B/5C Morecambe: Withdrawn.
• 6/6A Chorley: Withdrawn. Partly replaced by services 7 and 362.
• 6/7 Blackburn: Evening service until 2130 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Transdev. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 7 Lancaster: Evening service until 1930 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Stagecoach. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 7/7A/7B Clitheroe: 7/7A to run hourly between Clitheroe and Nelson, alternating via Sawley or Downham every 2 hours. Rimington, Newchurch and Spenbrook no longer served. 7B withdrawn.
• 7S/72 Pendle Witch Hopper: Withdrawn.
• 8 Accrington: Saturday service withdrawn.
• 9 Burnley: Transdev to run Saturday service commercially with first and last journeys withdrawn. Weekday service remains unchanged.
• 10 Lancaster: Evening service until 1930 run commercially by Stagecoach. Late evening journeys and Sunday daytime service withdrawn.
• 10 Clitheroe: Withdrawn.
• 10/10 Rawtenstall: Rosso to replace Mon-Sat daytime journeys with new service 401. Evening and Sunday journeys withdrawn.
• 11 Accrington: Saturday service withdrawn. Weekday service continues commercially.
• 11 Rawtenstall: Services continue.
• 12 Rawtenstall: Services continue Mon-Sat daytime only. Sunday service withdrawn.
• 12/12A Preston: Preston Bus to run revised service 12, no longer serving Broadgate. Service 12A withdrawn.
• 12/13 Blackpool: Withdrawn
• 13 Rawtenstall: Withdrawn
• 13/13A Preston: Service to continue, running hourly. Re-routed in Penwortham
• 14 Preston: Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn. Mon-Sat daytime journeys continue.
• 14/14A Accrington: PilkingtonBus running partially weekday replacement between Clitheroe and Accrington only. Passengers to/from Royal Blackburn Hospital need to change at Blackburn and Accrington.
• 15 Blackburn: Service continues on reduced 2-hourly frequency, serving Brockhall and Langho, partly replacing service 25. Evening service withdrawn. Darwen Coach Services running D15 service between Blackburn and Mellor Brook.
• 22 Blackburn: Transdev to run Sunday morning journeys commercially. Late-evening journeys withdrawn.
• 24A Chorley: Evening/Sunday service to continue in partnership with Chorley Borough Council and LCC.
• 25 Blackburn: Replaced between Langho and Blackburn only. No journeys to/from Clitheroe.
• 26/27 Burnley: Evening service until 2000 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Transdev. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 29 Burnley: Last journey withdrawn.
• 33 Morecambe: Service maintained.
• 40 Preston: Service to run commercially
• 42 Lancaster: Evening journeys withdrawn.
• 51 Carnforth: Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn. Service between Carnforth and Silverdale merged with Silverdale Shuttle service.
• 55 Lancaster: Evening journeys withdrawn
• 55C Lancaster: Withdrawn
• 61 Preston: Stagecoach to continue running Peel Park diversion
• 65 Burnley: Service split. Burnley-Clifton Farm section maintained on hourly basis. Nelson-Brierfield to run two-hourly. Re-numbered 8 and 9.
• 68 Preston: Stagecoach to take over Mon-Sat evening journeys from Preston Bus on commercial basis. Sunday evening journeys withdrawn.
• 74 Fylde: Service partially retained with revisions to route between Fleetwood and Poulton, partly replacing service 75. Cleveleys no longer served.
• 75 Fylde: Service partially retained running 2-hourly between Preston and Poulton only.
• 76 Fylde: Withdrawn and partly replaced by extended service 78.
• 78 Fylde: Mon-Sat daytime journeys extended to partly cover service 76 between Poulton and Wesham. Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn.
• 79 Fylde: Withdrawn
• 80 Fylde: Service maintained with service re-routed in Preston area, running via Riversway and Lea Road.
• 81/81A/81B Lancaster: Evening/Sunday service withdrawn. Mon-Sat daytime journeys to run commercially but no longer serve Arkholme and Whittington. Service to run until 1700 plus one journey at 1840.
• 84 Fylde: Withdrawn and partly replaced by extended service catch22bus.
• 86 Fylde: Withdrawn
• 87 Wyre: Withdrawn
• 89/89H Lancaster: Service maintained on 90 minute frequency. Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn.
• 93 Pendle: Withdrawn
• 95/95A/95S Pendle: Service reduced to hourly. Sunday service withdrawn.
• 109 Preston: Evening service until 2200 and Sunday daytime service run commercially by Stagecoach. Late evening journeys withdrawn.
• 109A Preston: Evening/Sunday service to continue in partnership with Chorley Borough Council and LCC.
• 110 Leyland: Withdrawn
• 112 Preston: Revised to run between Preston and Sainsburys only.
• 113 Preston: Evening journeys withdrawn. One additional journey from Stagecoach introduced.
• 114 Preston: Part-merger of services 112 and 114, linking Leyland and Chorley via Walton Summit, Clayton Brook, Whittle-le-Woods and Chorley Hospital. Evening/Sunday journeys withdrawn.
• 115 Preston: Withdrawn
• 118 Leyland: Withdrawn
• 150/151 Preston: Evening service until 1930 run commercially by Stagecoach. Late evening and Sunday journeys withdrawn. Service 151 to continue via Hoghton commercially
• 152 Burnley: Friday/Saturday Evening service run commercially by Transdev. Sunday evening service withdrawn.
• 180/280/X80 Preston: Reduced to 2-hourly. Route through Barnoldswick standardised. Runs Mon-Sat daytime only.
• 206 Wrightington: Withdrawn.
• 217 Preston: Withdrawn.
• 231 Accrington: Withdrawn.
• 244 Rawtenstall: Transdev and PilkingtonBus journeys withdrawn.
• 315 Ormskirk: Withdrawn.
• 337 Chorley: Withdrawn.
• 347 Chorley: Service retained on 2-hourly frequency
• 362 Chorley: Service no longer diverts via Coppull Old Parish
• 375 West Lancs: Arriva to run service commercially but some changes in May 2016.
• 464 Rossendale: Rosso to run service commercially
• 465 Rossendale: Rosso to extend service 482 to replace service 465 to/from Todmorden
• 473 Rawtenstall: Withdrawn, although Rosso will provide link between Bury and Rawtenstall with service 483 until 2000.
• 482 Rossendale: Newchurch and Edgeside served by service 401.
• B1/B2 Barnoldswick: PilkingtonBus to run service commercially
  

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/89738...s-list.pdf

[Jack]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services
To be clear are these a confirmed updated version of April cuts/changes?

[moreton407]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services
Which part of Arriva's 375 has subsidy?

[Jack]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services
I didn't know it either until it was posted on the previous page, the route through Bescar must have subsidy.

[SF07]

RE: Lancashire County Council Cuts to Bus Services

(08/03/2016 21:30)moreton407 Wrote:  Which part of Arriva's 375 has subsidy?

The diversion via Bescar is subsided.

(08/03/2016 20:28)jcksmnr Wrote:  To be clear are these a confirmed updated version of April cuts/changes?

This is the updated list. From Lancashire County Council:

Quote:Changes to bus services from 3 April 2016
As part of £65m savings the county council has identified in its budget for this year, we have had to make changes to how we fund bus routes. This is one of many difficult decisions we have had to make, and we still have to find more than £200m additional savings over the next five years.

This will mean changes to some bus services from 3 April. However, 60% out of the 113 bus services in Lancashire that we currently subsidise will still run in some form or other - though there may be changes to the routes and times of these services. We have reallocated £2m and have worked with bus operators to enable this to happen. Our priority is to support services that help you get to work and education.

Those bus services we will no longer be supporting will either be run by the bus operators on a commercial basis or will stop running after 2 April.

Services that will change
We're sorry we don't know the full details of the new services yet as we are having to make changes very quickly, but please bear with us and as soon as we do we'll let you know. We're working hard to get all the bus services changes onto this website as quickly as possible, and it may be nearer to the start of the changed services that the new timetables will appear.

In the meantime, here is a list of the bus services that will be affected and the details that we have so far. We will be updating timetables as soon as we can.

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/roads-parki...anges.aspx