Stagecoach Manchester

[gilesbus1]

RE: Stagecoach Manchester and Wigan

(07/03/2019 10:02)Southernsofty Wrote:  Some thoughts on Manchesters proposed CAZ and funding.

The TfGM funding for 2017/18 = £1.5m
The TfGM funding for 2018/19 = £1.5m
The combined £3m is for 170 buses to be upgraded, I don't know the make up of the vehicles but this works out at an average of £17,647 per vehicle.

New proposal is that £29m is to be made available for the 'Clean Bus Fund' (Note, excludes coaches which are covered by a separate 'Clean Freight' fund).
Allowing for inflation, so 'rounding up' to an average of £18000 per bus, £29m would allow for @1611 buses to be upgraded.

I did a crude 'back of a fag packet' calculation (and my figures may be wrong/out of date):

Non Euro 6 bus fleets in Manchester: -
563 - Stagecoach
565 - First/Go Ahead - whoever buys Bolton & Oldham.
76 - Arriva Wythenshawe & Bolton.
105 - Rotala
18 - Selwyns - buses only, to expand?
105 - Rosso
12 - Jim Stones
39 - Stotts
Total = 1483
My figures will have missed some other fleets (very happy if someone can provide more accurate update)
Press release talks about upgrading Euro 4 & 5 vehicles, so Euro 3 buses have to be replaced?

If your one of those operators, why (euro 3 excepted) would you invest in new vehicles knowing that your existing fleet is going to upgraded with public funding?

I will just make one point here, some of the Rosso fleet will never operate in Greater Manchester so would not be effected in needing to be modernised or replaced, also the Diamond fleet has been cut since those figures and now would not exceed around 85 vehicles. Also lets not forget Coach operators in Greater Manchester, their vehicles would need to be modified as well in fleets like Grayway, Tyrers, Bullocks, Olympia, Mayne, Finch etc and wether or not out of a seperate freight fund still need to be done.