Old Liverpool Routes

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
List Of Liverpool Routes October 86, unfortunately the operators aren't listed si i'll assume it's Ribble/North Western/Crosville/Merseybus/GM Buses/Halton Transport

4 Central Bus Station-Woolton
5/105 Pier Head-Woolton
6/116 Pier Head-Huyton
9/129 Pier Head-Lyme Cross
9C/109 Pier Head-Huyton Station
9D/139 Pier Head-Knowsley

10 Cronton-West Bank
10/210 Pier Head-St Helens
10A/110 Pier Head-St Helens
10C/197 Pier Head-Prescot Thomas Lane
12/12A/13/13A/112/113 Pier Head-Stockbridge Circular
14/114 Pier Head-Tower-Hill
14C Pier Head-Croxteth
17C/117 Pier Head-Northwood
17D/118 Pier Head-Fazakerley
18 Pier Head-Croxteth Park
19/119 Pier Head-Tower Hill
19B/19C Pier Head-Lower Lane/Kirkby Admin

20/120 Aigburth-Northwood
21/121 Aigburth-Fazakerley
26/27 Cronton-Widnes
26/27/126/127 Sheil Road Circular
34 Liverpool-Manchester
40/140 Pier Head-Huyton

50/50A/150 Liverpool-Birkenhead Night Tunnel Service
52/152 Penny Lane-Old Roan
53/53A/55/55A/153/155 Pier Head-Netherton Circular
54 Bootle-Kirkby
56/156 Pier Head-Netherton
57 Pier Head-Netherton
58/158 City Centre-Litherland
59/159 Old Haymarket-Old Roan

60/160 Bootle-Dingle
61 Whiston Hospital-Runcorn
61/61A/161 Aigburth-Netherton Circular
62/62A/ Aigburth-Leckwith Road
68 Aigburth-Bootle

72/172 Pier Head-Hunts Cross
72A Liverpool-Heswall
73/173 Central Bus Station/Pier Head-Woolton/Netherley
75/175 Pier Head-Huyton
76/176 Pier Head Mann Island-Prescot
78/178 Pier Head-Halewood
79/209 Pier Head-Netherley
79A/179 Central Bus Station/Pier Head=Belle Vale

80/180 Pier Head-Speke
81/181 Speke-Bootle
82/82A/182 Pier Head-Garston/Speke
86/186 Pier Head-Garston
88 Garston-Stockbridge
88 Liverpool-Neston
89/189 Garston-St Helens
89A Garston-Belle Vale

90/190 Kirkby-St Helens
91/191 Pier Head-Crosby
92/219 Penny Lane-Crosby

100/101 Toxteth-City Centre-Vauxhall Circular
102 Broadway-Broadgreen
103 Dingle-Waterloo
107 Pier Head Mann Island-Prescot
109 Rainhill-St Helens

111 Pier Head-Stockbridge
125 Garston-Walton
130 Pier Head-Everton Valley
131 Liverpool-Crosby Hall Road
133 Kirkby-Crosby Hall Road
135 City Centre-Bootle
192 Halewood-Walton
195 St Helens-St Helens Hospital

200 City Centre Hospital Service
201 Speke-Royal Liverpool Hospital
202 Tower Hill-Walton Hospital
203 Halewood-Alder Hey Hospital
204 Waterloo-Walton Hospital
205 Kirkby Civic Centre-Walton Hospital

218 Pier Head-PKirkby Station
284/285/185 Southport/Freshfield-Liverpool

300/302 Southport-Liverpool
310/340/350 Maghull-Liverpool
320 Liverpool-Wigan
321/221 Lydiate-Liverpool
341 Lydiate-Liverpool
345/355 Skelmersdale-Liverpool
351 Ormskirk-Liverpool
391 Crosby-Maghull

405 Central Bus Station-Hunts Cross
417/418 Liverpool-Heswall
420/421 Liverpool-Greasby
429/430 Liverpool-New Brighton
431/432/131 Liverpool-Liscard/New Brighton
470 Woodchurch-Liverpool

705 Skelmersdale-Liverpool
761/762 Blackpool-Liverpool
870 Huyton-Huyton Industrial Estate

B1/B2 Bootle-Netherton Circular
C1 Crosby-Thornton Circular
C2 Crosby-Waterloo-Thornton Circular
C5 Liverpool-Chester

H2 Prescot-Warrington
H3/143 Pier Head Mann Island-Rainhill
H5 Pier Head Mann Island-Warrington
H6/H6X/106 Pier Head Mann Island-Prescot
H8/H8X/108 Pier Head Mann Island-Prescot
H9/H9X/H18 Prescot-Huyton
H20/H21/H25 Pier Head Mann Island-Runcorn

L3/213 Crosby-Liverpool
L21 Crosby-Liverpool
L22/L23/122/123 Crosby-Walton-Fazakerley Circular
L81 Thornton-Liverpool
M1/M2/M3 Maghull Town Services

X1 Liverpool-Chester
X2 Liverpool-Southport
X4/X5 Liverpool-Runcorn
X7 Liverpool-Chester
X10 Liverpool-Rainhill
X17/X37 Liverpool-Banks

[MPTE1955]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
Good stuff again mtl, I remember some of the chaos at this time, buses were hit & miss with reliability but also gave us a chance to ride some buses that we werent used to riding. Some long journey in there as well.

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
The 195 at dereg ran Rainhill Stoops - Prescot - St Helens - St Helens Hospital.

It's interesting how the 10/10A have increased in frequency over the years. They were a new service at dereg (extension of 10 from Prescot and withdrawal of 7/8 St Helens - Prescot circulars). At dereg, the 10 was every 30 minutes daytime, hourly evenings/sundays, 10A was every 15 minutes daytime, 30 minutes evenings/sundays. The 110/210 ran early mornings although they ran until around lunch on Sundays. Merseybus had the contract initially but in January 1989, Halton Transport won the contract (as they had also quite a few Sunday Morning contracts) and mysteriously within a week Merseybus ran earlier journeys in competition with Halton's subsidised journeys which due to this action didn't last long. Was a strange time, deregulation was.

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes

(20/06/2012 20:22)MPTE1955 Wrote:  Good stuff again mtl, I remember some of the chaos at this time, buses were hit & miss with reliability but also gave us a chance to ride some buses that we werent used to riding. Some long journey in there as well.

Yep quite a few routes surprised me such as the 52 which was different from todays 52 also 62 going to Leckwith Road, but biggest surprise the 88 going to Stockbridge. The 107 went mainly via the 11, but went via Whiston.

762 was via mainly 761 but diverted via Bootle, but didn't last long.

I've got a map from March 88 which i'll post the route list within a few days, but most of the Crosville Huyton/Prescot routes are gone, as the depot closed permanently because the strike.Also Merseybus covered some North Western Routes to give Saveaway coverage after North Western refused to accept Saveaway tickets.

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes

(20/06/2012 20:42)St Helens Rider Wrote:  The 195 at dereg ran Rainhill Stoops - Prescot - St Helens - St Helens Hospital.

It's interesting how the 10/10A have increased in frequency over the years. They were a new service at dereg (extension of 10 from Prescot and withdrawal of 7/8 St Helens - Prescot circulars). At dereg, the 10 was every 30 minutes daytime, hourly evenings/sundays, 10A was every 15 minutes daytime, 30 minutes evenings/sundays. The 110/210 ran early mornings although they ran until around lunch on Sundays. Merseybus had the contract initially but in January 1989, Halton Transport won the contract (as they had also quite a few Sunday Morning contracts) and mysteriously within a week Merseybus ran earlier journeys in competition with Halton's subsidised journeys which due to this action didn't last long. Was a strange time, deregulation was.

The 10 shared it's frequency with the 10C, the 10 was every hour on Evening & Sundays, but 10/10A/10C shared the frequency Prescot to Pier Head, there was also the 34/320 which operated beyond St Helens to Liverpool, 34 to Manchester, 34 was every hour in those days, remember waiting for it a few times at Newton Le Willows Station, had good connection with the stopper train from Liverpool

[St Helens Rider]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
The 34 only went up to half hourly when GM and MTL were in competition in the early 90's.

Also the 195 at dereg was interesting, as along with other St Helens Midibus routes (104, 109,155), Merseybus hired some South Yorkshire Dennis Dominos (C4x/5x HDT I think) alongside the 702x/3x Lances. Although I do recall one of the last remaining AEC Swifts occaisionally appearing on the 195 (now there was a REAL St Helens bus - happy days).

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes

(20/06/2012 21:22)St Helens Rider Wrote:  The 34 only went up to half hourly when GM and MTL were in competition in the early 90's.

Also the 195 at dereg was interesting, as along with other St Helens Midibus routes (104, 109,155), Merseybus hired some South Yorkshire Dennis Dominos (C4x/5x HDT I think) alongside the 702x/3x Lances. Although I do recall one of the last remaining AEC Swifts occaisionally appearing on the 195 (now there was a REAL St Helens bus - happy days).

May be wrong but think the 34 went to every 30 minutes in 1991 before the bus war, do remember it being every 30 minutes in 1992 as it interworked with the Manchester 32 which was every 30 minutes, although the 34 interworked with the 32 when it was every hour.

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
Does anyone know what happened to routes during the Toxteth Riots, i've a feeling some routes termanated at Penny Lane or Aigburth Vale & others may not have ran, also anyone know what happened to routes the first night of the Riots?

[MPTE1955]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
Another interest would be were any buses destroyed during those same riots and if so does anybody which ones

[MTL0201]

RE: Old Liverpool Routes
19B/19C was a slightly different route going down Everton Valley & Scotland Road partial replacement for the 44D

20/21 was interesting 20 going to Northwood rather than Tower Hill also going down the Vauxhall Road rather than Scotland Road whilst the 21 went down Mill Street in Toxteth then followed the 20 to Kirkdale Roads before going down Westminster Road, but the 21 only went to Fazakerley.

Interesting routes are X7/X17/X37 which would merge to form the X8

All the Kirkby area numbers 150-159 were withdrawn at D-Reg, but replaced by other routes.