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ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - SK15 GZG - 26/03/2017 18:20
So with the influx of double deckers over the past few years the question now is - does it continue or have we seen the last of it? Personally I don't think we have - there's a good few routes left in the North West that are desperately under capacity - with the 7, 8/9 and 53 being the priorities for me
2014:
12 - Rhyl-Llandudno (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
86/86A - Liverpool-Garston/Liverpool JLA (stock upgrade)
375/385 - Southport-Wigan (stock upgrade)
2015:
10/10A - Liverpool-St Helens (converted from single deck; new stock)
10/10A - Chester-Connah's Quay (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
10B - Liverpool-Huyton Elizabeth Road (converted from single deck; new stock)
12/13 - Liverpool-Stockbridge Village (converted from single deck; new stock)
15 - Liverpool-Huyton Bus Station (converted from single deck; new stock)
52/52A - Liverpool-Netherton (converted from single deck; new stock)
75 - Liverpool-Halewood (converted from single deck; new stock)
2017:
1 - Wrexham-Chester (stock upgrade)
14 - Liverpool-Croxteth Willow Way (converted from single deck; new stock)
18 - Liverpool-Croxteth Park (converted from single deck; new stock)
51/X51 - Rhyl-Denbigh (converted from single deck; cascaded stock)
55 - Liverpool-Old Roan (converted from single deck; new stock)
79/79D - Liverpool-Halewood (stock upgrade)
89 - St Helens-Liverpool JLA (converted from single deck; cascaded stock)
In summary:
ANW: Bootle (21), Green Lane (71), Southport (9), Speke (57) and St Helens (26)
ABW: Chester (9), Rhyl (20) and Wrexham (13)
Does anyone have any ideas of what other Arriva North West/Arriva Buses Wales routes they think need upgrading to double deck?
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - Conbus - 26/03/2017 19:09
(26/03/2017 18:20)Y474 KNF Wrote: So with the influx of double deckers over the past few years the question now is - does it continue or have we seen the last of it? Personally I don't think we have - there's a good few routes left in the North West that are desperately under capacity - with the 7, 8/9 and 53 being the priorities for me
2014:
12 - Rhyl-Llandudno (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
86/86A - Liverpool-Garston/Liverpool JLA (stock upgrade)
375/385 - Southport-Wigan (stock upgrade)
2015:
10/10A - Liverpool-St Helens (converted from single deck; new stock)
10/10A - Chester-Connah's Quay (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
10B - Liverpool-Huyton Elizabeth Road (converted from single deck; new stock)
12/13 - Liverpool-Stockbridge Village (converted from single deck; new stock)
15 - Liverpool-Huyton Bus Station (converted from single deck; new stock)
52/52A - Liverpool-Netherton (converted from single deck; new stock)
75 - Liverpool-Halewood (converted from single deck; new stock)
2017:
1 - Wrexham-Chester (stock upgrade)
14 - Liverpool-Croxteth Willow Way (converted from single deck; new stock)
18 - Liverpool-Croxteth Park (converted from single deck; new stock)
55 - Liverpool-Old Roan (converted from single deck; new stock)
79/79D - Liverpool-Halewood (stock upgrade)
89 - St Helens-Liverpool JLA (converted from single deck; cascaded stock)
In summary:
ANW: Bootle (21), Green Lane (71), Southport (9), Speke (57) and St Helens (26)
ABW: Chester (9), Rhyl (20) and Wrexham (13)
Does anyone have any ideas of what other Arriva North West/Arriva Buses Wales routes they think need upgrading to double deck?
Arriva buses wales 51/X51 being upgraded from wrexham stock in may 2017
Abw: mold routes and possibly the 5 wrex to llangollen
Anw: route 31 crewe
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - RedPanda - 26/03/2017 19:18
(26/03/2017 18:20)Y474 KNF Wrote: So with the influx of double deckers over the past few years the question now is - does it continue or have we seen the last of it? Personally I don't think we have - there's a good few routes left in the North West that are desperately under capacity - with the 7, 8/9 and 53 being the priorities for me
2014:
12 - Rhyl-Llandudno (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
86/86A - Liverpool-Garston/Liverpool JLA (stock upgrade)
375/385 - Southport-Wigan (stock upgrade)
2015:
10/10A - Liverpool-St Helens (converted from single deck; new stock)
10/10A - Chester-Connah's Quay (converted from single deck; new Sapphire stock)
10B - Liverpool-Huyton Elizabeth Road (converted from single deck; new stock)
12/13 - Liverpool-Stockbridge Village (converted from single deck; new stock)
15 - Liverpool-Huyton Bus Station (converted from single deck; new stock)
52/52A - Liverpool-Netherton (converted from single deck; new stock)
75 - Liverpool-Halewood (converted from single deck; new stock)
2017:
1 - Wrexham-Chester (stock upgrade)
14 - Liverpool-Croxteth Willow Way (converted from single deck; new stock)
18 - Liverpool-Croxteth Park (converted from single deck; new stock)
55 - Liverpool-Old Roan (converted from single deck; new stock)
79/79D - Liverpool-Halewood (stock upgrade)
89 - St Helens-Liverpool JLA (converted from single deck; cascaded stock)
In summary:
ANW: Bootle (21), Green Lane (71), Southport (9), Speke (57) and St Helens (26)
ABW: Chester (9), Rhyl (20) and Wrexham (13)
Does anyone have any ideas of what other Arriva North West/Arriva Buses Wales routes they think need upgrading to double deck?
As said on another thread 352 St. Helens-Wigan is one to consider for the long term, perhaps a mix of single and double deck would suit it
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - SK15 GZG - 26/03/2017 19:19
(26/03/2017 19:18)RedPanda Wrote: As said on another thread 352 St. Helens-Wigan is one to consider for the long term, perhaps a mix of single and double deck would suit it
There's very little point in having a mixed allocation. Routes should be all single deck or all double deck in my opinion
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - Lynx - 26/03/2017 20:15
Sapphire routes 130, and 362/575 would be a priority for me personally. Both have seen their vehicles upgraded in recent years but both are very busy corridors at peak times and would benefit from deckers.
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - T42 PVM - 26/03/2017 20:57
there is a low bridge on the 362 route and i have never once seen a standing load on a 130
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - MTL0201 - 27/03/2017 01:58
53 Crosby-Liverpool could do with deckers, maybe 47 Crossens-Liverpool.
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - MX12CFE - 27/03/2017 06:27
Id like to see some deckers on the 310 Liverpool-Maghull/Skelmersdale.
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - B10B6514 - 27/03/2017 09:19
The 47 Crossens to Liverpool.
RE: ANW and ABW double decker influx - where next? - knutstransport - 27/03/2017 11:03
(26/03/2017 20:57)T42 PVM Wrote: i have never once seen a standing load on a 130
Have passenger numbers dropped? People used to complain about a single decker being too small for a morning peak and evening peak (which probably meant some people had to stand opposed to people getting left behind.) I know AstraZeneca has scaled back operations at Alderley Park so that might have reduced peak time loadings, together with the timetable revisions which make the bus less suitable for some commuters.