Forum | Merseyside Dennis Dart Website
Stagecoach Manchester - Printable Version

+- Forum | Merseyside Dennis Dart Website (http://dartslf.com/forum)
+-- Forum: Buses (/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Local Bus Scene: North West and Wales (/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: Stagecoach Manchester (/showthread.php?tid=28)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - stait.john@hotmail.co.uk - 13/07/2013 07:27

Manchester depots (ex-GM) still have what's known as common Rotas in place, this is where drivers will be trained on all routes and will drive all buses at that depot. All ST drivers will have been type trained in the Hybrids.

There may be a few drivers who are on particular service Rotas or fixed line Rotas and as such tend to stick to a couple of routes but these are unusual.

You have Core Rotas and New Starter Rotas. Core drivers are basically PRE-1992 starters before the low cost units came in and have slightly shorter duties and different conditions. Not many of these left now though after 21 years of NewStarters!

Again Manchester duties would work more than one route in a duty, for example a Hyde Road driver might be on the 50 first half then the 76 second half, Bolton driver would do a 68 first half then a 582 second part. In other parts of the country you'd have route rotas, where you would just drive 1 or maybe 2 routes, only doing others as overtime, this happens for example in Birmingham and London.

Hope this has answered a few points?

John




(23/06/2013 21:46)ace Wrote:  I think with most drivers it's a case of, they learn all routes as part of their training so that if they get called upon to do a route, they can just get on and do it, but a lot of them do tend to do a certain few routes, for example, I get the 192 to work most mornings, and I've seen quite a few drivers on the same route several times, the same for other routes such as 11/11A, 369, etc.

I think part of it might be to do with the type of bus driven as well. Probably not all drivers are trained to drive hybrids, so the ones that are will do the 192's, others will do routes that use buses within each individual capability or requirement.



RE: Stagecoach Manchester - ace - 13/07/2013 20:14

All sorts going on today with the Rail and Metrolink Replacements.
17038 from Wigan was on the 76, the 168 and 169 were operated almost exclusively by Magic Buses, and the 85 seemed to be run with a mixture of Hybrids and Magics.
I saw a lot of Enviro400's on Rail/Metrolink duty in Manchester City Centre this afternoon.
There seemed to be a few unfamiliar drivers as well, not that I know them all personally, LOL but I could sense one or two of them were a little less than familiar with the routes they were on.


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - M60lad - 14/07/2013 07:19

Regarding drivers on Metrolink Replacement, some of the drivers you didn't recognise would either have been management or even Inspectors, I had to do a double take myself in Altrincham when I saw one of the city center inspectors actually driving a Enviro400, from what I got told the other day from a contact of mine Stagecoach have got over 100 duties on Metrolink this weekend


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - SF07 - 14/07/2013 16:41

Some service are being diverted with termini being moved due to closure of Oldham Street and Church Street because of the fire yesterday:

*Services 72 and 77 will depart from stop EM on Lever Street
*Services 74, 76, 78, 216 and 231 will depart from stop TE at Stevenson Square
*Services 80 and 112 will depart from stop NM on Shudehill.

Only unknown is service 217/218. I would imagine buses will run to/from Shudehill Interchange via Great Ancoats Street and Swan Street/Addington Street. I believe the Metrolink replacement services have been running via Newton Street and Great Ancoats Street in between Piccadilly and Victoria.

https://twitter.com/OfficialTfGM/status/356368958061953025
https://twitter.com/OfficialTfGM/status/356369514201489408
https://twitter.com/OfficialTfGM/status/356370167929909248
https://twitter.com/OfficialTfGM/status/356370490945847298


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - SF07 - 15/07/2013 20:31

Magic Bus back on the 86 this afternoon, as 18287 was running one of the peak-time journeys to Southern Cemetery.


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - ace - 15/07/2013 20:56

I didn't know the 86 ran to Southern Cemetery?
Do you mean the 84?


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - mic - 16/07/2013 10:27

(13/07/2013 20:14)ace Wrote:  All sorts going on today with the Rail and Metrolink Replacements.
17038 from Wigan was on the 76, the 168 and 169 were operated almost exclusively by Magic Buses, and the 85 seemed to be run with a mixture of Hybrids and Magics.
I saw a lot of Enviro400's on Rail/Metrolink duty in Manchester City Centre this afternoon.
There seemed to be a few unfamiliar drivers as well, not that I know them all personally, LOL but I could sense one or two of them were a little less than familiar with the routes they were on.

17038 is based at Hyde Rd the last 4 of the batch should be there


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - SF07 - 16/07/2013 18:32

(15/07/2013 20:56)ace Wrote:  I didn't know the 86 ran to Southern Cemetery?
Do you mean the 84?

No, it was the 86, spotted on Stretford Road, turning onto Royce Road. A couple of peak-time journeys extend from Chorlton bus station to Southern Cemetery (displayed as Christie Fields on destinations displays).


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - SF07 - 18/07/2013 19:22

19487 broken down on Stretford Road this afternoon on the 250 to Manchester at around 5.30pm.


RE: Stagecoach Manchester - SF07 - 18/07/2013 19:59

Documents for TfGM's Bus Commitee meeting next Friday now online and a few significant changes mentioned for early September involving Stagecoach with re-routing of the 80 and extra weekday journeys on the 32 and X34.

*32 - The 1805 weekday journey from Wigan to Tyldesley is to be extended to Manchester with an additional weekday journey from Manchester at 1945 to Wigan.
*50 - The Mon-Sat journeys at 2239 and 2309 from East Didsbury to Salford Central are extended to Salford Quays. The 2358 Mon-Sat journey from Salford Central to East Didsbury is extended to start from Salford Quays at 2341. The 2250 Sunday journey from East Didsbury to Salford Central is extended to Salford Quays.
*80 - Re-routed from Moston Ben Brierley via White Moss, Victoria Avenue East and Manchester New Road instead of Lightbourne Road, Moston Gardeners Arms and Middleton Junction.
*151 - Proposed: To improve reliability, service to get new timetable with additional running time, while the short journeys between Mandley Park and Newton Heath will be curtailed to run between Monsall Metrolink stop and Newton Heath only.
*256 - Evening journeys to be operated by Stagecoach instead of JPT with Sunday evening journeys proposed to be operated hourly.
*X34 - Additional weekday journeys at 1855 from Leigh to Manchester and 2002 from Manchester to Lowton. Also, all weekday morning journeys to Manchester will start from Lowton, in addition to current 0727 journey plus First journeys.
*X57 - Sunday evening service introduced, replacing Finglands's service 157.

http://www.transportforgreatermanchestercommittee.gov.uk/tfgmc/download/downloads/id/4647/item_07_forthcoming_changes_to_bus_network

Also been reported that the following changes will also take place from September:
*112 - Increased from every 20 mins to every 10 mins.
*171 - Transferred from Hyde Road to Middleton depot
*192 - Additional journeys at 0020 and 0035 from Manchester to Stockport on Mondays-Wednesdays nights.
*291 - Transferred from Middleton to Hyde Road depot
*X5 - Transferred from Middleton to Stockport depot
*X50 - Additional stop on Chester Road at Hulme Hall Road
*X57 - Sunday evening journeys to be operated by Stockport depot

The 80 and 112 changes will be interesting as it will give First and JPT more competition between Moston/White Moss and Manchster against the 81/81A, 88/89, 118 plus JPT's 112 service.