(24/09/2016 09:54)mikestone Wrote:  I seem to recall that Greater Manchester produce publicity and bill the operator if they don't produce their own?

(24/09/2016 09:54)mikestone Wrote:  I seem to recall that Greater Manchester produce publicity and bill the operator if they don't produce their own?

(24/09/2016 11:23)Mayneway Wrote:  The major problem when operators produce thier own timetables is they only tend to include thier own journeys and if it's a service that more than one operator runs on it gets slightly confusing.

(24/09/2016 11:53)knutstransport Wrote:  Whether an overlap applies partly depends what journey you are trying to make. There must be numerous alternatives to the 130 route depending what journey you're making and I can't see TfGM including the 27 service in their 130 leaflet because either the 27 or 130 can be used to get between Macclesfield and Macclesfield Hospital.

(24/09/2016 15:45)Dentonian Wrote:  There is nothing to stop Operators doing this, but TFGM would not accept them for stocks in Travelshops.

Quote:In saying all that, as pointed out, GHA had very little operation in GM, and what they did run was mainly East Cheshire tenders, which apart from the 130, would be covered in either their own, or ECCC publicity. I can only assume that any money owed is for the 130 Guide - but I can't see that being much as I think they only triggered one change to the Bus Guide - and/or facility charges at Altrincham Interchange. The latter could include penalty payments if Interchange management had not been consulted or informed of changes to the 88 etc. Rightly or wrongly, it is the Operators' responsibility to negotiate slots at TFGM owned termini, even if the service is another Authority's contracted timetable.

(25/09/2016 11:41)Dentonian Wrote:  As such, the Operator (now Springfields) might be invoiced, largely because TFGM didn't know about the early September changes, and therefore had to rip down Displays that had just been put up for other Operators' changes registered properly for 4th September.

Quote:Chapel Lane, Bucklow Hill
Chapel Lane will be closed from Monday 12 September until Monday 21 November while major road construction takes place. This will affect the 289 service which will not be able to serve High Legh from that direction. Most buses will operate directly along the A556 and then the A50 to Little Bollington and High Legh. Howards have agreed that the 0930 Knutsford-Altrincham and 1333 Altrincham-Knutsford will operate into Chapel Lane and reverse into The Crescent to provide a limited service into Altrincham.

(25/09/2016 11:41)Dentonian Wrote:  TFGM don't produce 88, 289 etc Guides because they are ECCC tenders (or part tenders) that don't parallel other Operators' services by much. Also, its impractical because East Cheshire don't have fixed change dates like TFGM, and as we have seen with 289, neither ECCC or the Operator have kept TFGM up to date with late changes. That's why I mentioned the point about Operators having to copy TFGM in on registration/variations that enter Greater Manchester.
Similarly, the 130, because GHA didn't inform TFGM of the various changes to Wilmslow-Macc journeys, we didn't revise the Guides to show these journeys. As such, it worked in GHA's favour as TFGM didn't charge them for publicising changes TFGM weren't aware of!
The 200 is an interesting example, as it is now recognised that TFGM do provide a subsidy. For a long time, I've been told that TFGM have no control over its operation, because TFGM don't subsidise it! Albeit, this was mainly a false argument about accepting System One tickets and TFGM staff passes. The point being ticket validity is purely based on the authority who's area the journey is being made in, not who (if anyone) is subsidising the service.
As regards publicity - again TFGM don't produce the Bus Guide, so don't invoice the Operator. With stops, there are only a small number of stops (as with 289) so any costs incurred would hardly break the bank. Generally, its slightly more complicated with stops, as they might be served by a number of Operators with a mix of tendered and commercial services/journeys. Generally though, apart from maintenence costs spread proportionaly, it would be down o whoever instigated the change - ie. whoever calls the tune, pays the piper). With a TFGM contract, TFGM would pay to update the display. The 200 is virtually unique in having more than one Authority involved in its subsidy/specification. I think East Cheshire (along with possibly, MAplc) contribute the most, with TFGM and the National Trust only contributing a small amount based on the principal of a service running to link both Wilmslow and the RVP with the Airport. Again, the actual detail seems to be down to ECCC, resulting in TFGM not being advised of changes. As such, the Operator (now Springfields) might be invoiced, largely because TFGM didn't know about the early September changes, and therefore had to rip down Displays that had just been put up for other Operators' changes registered properly for 4th September. In saying that, I'm not sure if how many Displays are actually involved, as it would only be Ringway Road that is currently shared with 19, 44 & 369. Ironically, from 31st October, the 200 will actually become the most frequent route on Ringway Road as 19 & 369 are withdrawn (between the Airport & Wythenshawe) apart from a couple of early morning journeys, and subject to TFGMC approval, the 44 will be reduced to five round trips a day.

(26/09/2016 13:48)33109 Wrote:  The ex cheshire connect dinky toy DK09 ENW has been in macc this last week working the 109 to leek.

Hopefully the ex GHA contracts are awarded soon as it's worrying some people what'll happen when the temporary contracts end. Most operators are managing well though arriva have had headaches with the 88.

Helluva lotta traffic in altrincham/wilmslow at rush hours which causes delays. Also due to it being quite a lengthy run knutsford-alty, stagecoach are doing brilliant with the 130 & received very high praise from passengers. 1 of their drivers mentioned he'd heard off his boss that arriva might take over the sun 130s again.