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RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - Phil - 23/08/2017 10:59
Also, wasn't there a route 11 which ran from Liverpool - Stockbridge (or Huyton) ?
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - MTL0201 - 23/08/2017 11:37
(22/08/2017 19:24)mr t Wrote: Before any changes were made in the April Liverpool was
1/1X Liverpool - Tower Hill (now 20)
2 Liverpool - Northwood (now 21)
3 Liverpool - Kirkby via Old Swan (old F3 now withdrawn
4/4X/5/5X Liverpool - Tower Hill (now 14A/14B)
6 Liverpool - Huyton (withdrawn)
8/9 Liverpool Huyton circulars
8D Liverpool - Huyton (now 10B)
10 Liverpool - St Helens
10A Liverpool - St Helens - Earlestown (now SH only)
12/13 Liverpool - Stockbridge Circulars
14 Liverpool - Croxteth
14A Liverpool - Kirkby admin peaks
14B Liverpool - Gillmoss
17B Liverpool - Broadway via Great Homer
17C Liverpool - Fazakerley same as 17
17D Liverpool - Fazakerley via Scotland Rd
18 Liverpool - Crosby (now 53)
18A Liverpool - Croxteth Park
18C Liverpool - Fazakerley (old 218)
19 Liverpool - Tower Hill
19B Liverpool - Northwood
19C Liverpool - Kirkby Admin
19E Liverpool - Gillmoss
20/20D Aigburth - Tower Hill
26/27 Sheil Road Circs
30 Liverpool - Netherton via Rice Lane/Aintree
32 (ANW) Liverpool - Runcorn (north West, now 82A)
33 Liverpool - Halewood (same as 86 to Springwood)
33A Liverpool - Allerton Library (same as 86)
35 Liverpool - Halewood (now 75)
38 Liverpool - Halewood (as 79 to Belle Vale then Halewood Road/Mackets Lane)
40 Liverpool - Huyton (now 7)
44/45 (ANW) Bootle - Litherland (now 144/145)
49/49A Broadgreen Hosp - St Helens (now 139)
53 Liverpool - THornton
55 (ANW) Liverpool - Old Roan
55A (ANW) Liverpool - Netherton
55B (ANW) Bootle - Netherton
56 (ANW) Liverpool- Netherton
60 Bootle - Aigburth
61/61A Bootle - Aigburth (61A via Netherton)
68 Aigburth - Bootle
78 Liverpool - Halewood
79 Liverpool - Netherley
79C Liverpool - Netherley Caldway Drive (then extended to Runcorn)
79A Liverpool - Lee Park
79D Liverpool - Netherley via London Rd
80 Liverpool - Speke
80A Liverpool - Airport
81 Bootle - Speke
82 (MTL) Liverpool - Speke
82 (ANW) Netherton - city - Speke
82A Liverpool - Garston
86 (MTL) Liverpool - Garston
86 (ANW) Thornton - City - Garston
86A Liverpool - GArston
89 Speke - St Helens
90 Kirkby - St Helens
90 (ANW) Liverpool - Crosby
91 Liverpool - Waterloo
92 Crosby - Penny Lane (now 62)
137 Liverpool - Crosby Hall Road
210 Liverpool - Huyton (as 10B)
212 Liverpool - Huyton (as 12 to SBridge)
255 Liverpool - Netherton (as 55A)
258 Stockbridge - Huyton - Prescot
261/262 Liverpool - Netherton - Huyton
274/275 Liverpool - Huyton Circulars (as 8/9 to Huyton then to Green Lane then down West Derby Rd and reverse)
284 Liverpool - Southport
300 (ANW) Liverpool - Southport
345 (ANW) Liverpool - Skelmersdale
350 (ANW) Liverpool - Maghull
351 (ANW) Liverpool - Maghull
X8 (ANW) Liverpool - Southport
ANW means the original Arriva North West License that was originally used for Bootle/Skelm/Runcorn before the shake up and services combined. All the others are MTL routes
217 Liverpool-Halewood via Kirkby-Huyton
192 Kirkby-Halewood although i'm not sure if Merseybus operated the 192 then
Smart 1 Broadgreen-City Centre-Aigburth Vale
Smart 4 & 5 but not sure of the routes
1/4/5 were part of the Merseytravel smart network, using Neoplans, before replaced by the T reg Darts
11 Liverpool-Huyton, although could have been Stockbridge or Page Moss via Stockbridge, outer terminus had changed a few times before being completely withdrawn
18 became the 50, as 18 had a different route Waterloo-Crosby than the 53, 18 route North of Bootle is now the 54
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - mr t - 23/08/2017 13:41
I Missed out the 11, 217 and 75!
The Smarts were run by Arriva NW before the takeover
Smart 4 was Brunswick - Royal, Smart 5 was Aigburth - Royal eves/suns.
Arriva then commercialised them all in 04 as Le Bus.
The 11 was Liverpool - Stockbridge at the time, then extended to Prescot replacing the 258 in April.
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - YN05 WKE - 24/08/2017 05:19
(23/08/2017 11:37)MTL0201 Wrote: 1/4/5 were part of the Merseytravel smart network, using Neoplans, before replaced by the T reg Darts
Sure 4 and 5 where linked with 14s and used the 0309-0337 batch Palatines
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - YN05 WKE - 24/08/2017 05:22
(25/04/2017 18:02)MTL0201 Wrote: The X8 had been split in Liverpool by the time Arriva brought MTL, the Arriva section was running Banks-Liverpool only.
First Crosville/PMT operated Liverpool to Chester section of X8 by this point dont think they did Southport as well by this time
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - St Helens Rider - 24/08/2017 06:58
The X8 by this time was definitely a shadow of it's former self having at one point in the 90's run from Banks to Llandudno.
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - MTL0201 - 24/08/2017 11:34
(24/08/2017 06:58)St Helens Rider Wrote: The X8 by this time was definitely a shadow of it's former self having at one point in the 90's run from Banks to Llandudno.
I remember catching the X8 summer 96 when it went to Llandudno i've still got a Chester area timetable summer 96 somewhere, X8 North Western & X1 Crosville Wales Coastliner merged summer 96 as X8 Llandudno Junction-Banks, summer 97 it was X8 Rhyl-Banks, the Wales Coastliner section was a shadow of it's former self only operating in summer, before being permanently withdrawn after summer 97.
As i've mentioned Crosville/North Western X8 Banks-Chester was split in Liverpool summer 98, Crosville operating Chester-Liverpool section which is now the Stagecoach Gold 1, & North Western Liverpool-Banks part of the Southport section hasn't been replaced as that went down Duke Street between Ainsdale & Southport, although Arrive 47 & Stagecoach X2 is near the line of the old X8.
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - MTL0201 - 24/08/2017 12:07
Off the top of my head the Wirral commercial network i think was
1 New Brighton-Woodside
3/3A Seacombe-Woodside
4/5 Liscard-Saughall Massie
6 New Brighton-Woodside
7/7A/8/8A New Brighton-Woodside
7A/8E New Brighton-Moreton
9 New Brighton-Woodside
10A New Brighton-Clatterbridge
10B New Brighton-Parkgate
10C New Brighton-Chester
18 Seacombe-Mill Park
33B/34B Woodside-Woodside via Seacombe-Moreton
37 Woodside-West Kirby
64A Woodside-New Ferry
407/408 Saughall Massie-Liverpool
410/411 Bromborough-Liverpool
417/418 Heswall-Liverpool
420 West Kirby-Liverpool
431/432/433/434 New Brighton-Liverpool
437 West Kirby-Liverpool
464 New Ferry-Liverpool
472 Heswall-Liverpool
488 Ness-Liverpool
472 was Monday to Friday off peak only, became 418 in the peaks with additional 417 via Irby, the Saturday 472 was operated by Crosville.
A few of the Cross River routes had different numbers during off peaks than peak, as they went from Queen Square direct to the tunnels via Crosshall Street & Victoria Street off peak, whilst going via Castle Street during the peaks, 432/433 went inbound via Byrom Street & St Johns Lane to Queen Square bus station, 431/434 went via Norton Street & Lime Street, 431/432/433/434 had the same routes from Queen Square to the tunnels
I do remember a short lived 510/511 Woodside-Bromborough replaced the 410/411 may have operated off peak or Saturdays only
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - mr t - 24/08/2017 16:10
You have missed -
11C/12C Liverpool - Chester
42 Saughall Massie - New Ferry
88 Woodside - Ness
95/97 Woodside - Nocturum
98/99 Woodside - Beechwood
417/418 started from Barnston
419 Heswall - Liverpool
and also a 430 New Brighton - Liverpool
You were right about 410/411/510/511 they were withdrawn at the changes
RE: Initial Arriva Merseyside network - mr t - 24/08/2017 16:23
St Helens was
4/4A St Helens - Old Whint
5 St Helens Junction - Gillars Green
6 St Helens Junction - Hard Lane
9 St Helens - Rainhill
13 St Helens - Chain Lane
14 Prescot - St Helens
15/15A/16/16A St Helens - Parr/Gillars Green/Eccleston
17 St Helens - Widnes
20 St Helens - Earlestown
22A Eccleston - Clock Face/Bold
23/24 Clinkham Wood - Sutton Manor
26 St Helens - Sutton Manor
27 St Helens - St Helens Junction
34 St Helens - Leigh
41 (ANW) St Helens - Earlestown
49/49A (ANW) St Helens - Broadgreen
50(ANW) St Helens - Warrington
51 St Helens - Newton
52/57 St Helens - Rainford
54/54A/54B St Helens - Chain Lane
61 (ANW) ST Helens - Newton
61A (ANW) St Helens - Newton
94/95 (ANW) St Helens Circulars
320 St Helens - Ashton/Wigan
329 (ANW) St Helens - Warrington
352/362 ANW) St Helens - Wigan
X4 (ANW) St Helens - Trafford Centre